Small rant incoming, but is anyone else tired of every upcoming browser using Chromium? What about forking off Firefox, or creating their own engine? Chromium is monopolizing the browser space and it is rare to find anything that is not Chromium. We desperately need more competitors to break up the monopoly.
yes. forks of firefox exist but all the big names go chromium because is the most used sadly.
Yes, but not as sick as I am of every program being an electron app with its associated chromium-based bloat.
Nothing quite like effectively running four or five browser instances that don’t share any resources and thus consume massive amounts of memory. :/
Chromium based browser enable Profits-based coporations to deploy powerfull tracking apps hidden and continuosly, thanks for the javascript engine.
They behind massive marketing budget, they build internet society with deception of trusting to big corporate is “modern, secure, “. People is expoitable, love easy to use and strockholm-syndrome. “I am use chrome becouse my friends use chrome” kinda thing.
I think what you are asking for is a modular Gecko-based browser engine that can be integrated into other apps, similar to [CEF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework) and Electron framework.
Firefox IMO should focus on performance more, and more by far.
Also syncing and backup using Google drive a la Whatsapp would be nice I think.
I’ve been tired of this for years yes
>Small rant incoming, but is anyone else tired of every upcoming browser using Chromium? What about forking off Firefox, or creating their own engine?
Building something on top of Chromium or Blink is relatively easy, and so is building new features that don’t require changes in the actual web stack. So e.g. making something that basically amounts to a Chromium skin but with a really good download manager takes a pretty reasonable amount of work.
Building on top of Firefox is basically a non-starter these days, and forking Firefox just gets you Firefox without even much of a skin. Since you’re not simply building on top of it, but rather making actual changes to Firefox, you have way more work to keep your changes ported to newer Firefox versions than someone who builds something on top of Chromium or Blink.
Creating your own engine would take a bazillion person-hours of work, at least if you want it to be competitive. Mozilla can barely keep up with Chrome despite having hundreds of engineers to work on Firefox.
I’m more sick of websites that block anything that isn’t a chromium-based browser.
Yes.
But I’m even more sick of the hordes of so-called “IT-specialists” droolingly advocating that class of Evil Browsers.
I mean how horrifyingly incompetent must you be to think it’s a good plan to use Chrome, or Edge, or any Chrome-based browser?
Tbf, I hate everything become apps? Browser should be limited at some point to render only data from server, yet it become another OS? I like it at first, but as it progress, it become horrible.
No I’m fine with it actually
I LFMAO when Google started screwing Chromium out of the Google API loop.
I LFMAO for people who use Ubuntu and get forced to install Chromium as a SNAP.
Mostly I get sick of everyone who says they don’t care – who encourage Google to dominate, and then scream blue murder when they realise how bad it is to use something like Youtube on a device where they have no control and get forced to watch 5 minutes of ads before they can watch a 3 minute video.
I also get angry that my son’s Thai school teaches them about Email (Email means Gmail) and maps (Maps means Google) and search (search means Google) and operating systems (operating systems = Windows) and text editors (Text Editors = Microsoft Office).
People worship Chrome, and Google (who obviously support Open Source) – but fail to realise that Google ONLY supports Open Source at the time that it benefits them in gaining Market share, then when they have market share, they scupper the project and laugh their heads off. This happened with Android – Google Play Services came along… then we have the Wonderful Widevine which screws small browsers for no other reason than Google wanting to rule the world.
It’s hard to think how far we came since the 1990’s – and how wonderful the emergence of Opera and Firefox were before Opera fell off the bandwagon.
yeah i feel the same i use brave and firefox while brave has all the good features and whistles it cant match the startup speed and browsing speed of firefox i dont know firefox is way smoother and faster when you browse through web pages and youtube brave is good too no doubt but it feels a bit jittery when while browsing through pages speed wise firefox feature wise like adblocker and stuff baked into the browser then its brave
I understand why the big project always tend to be chromium based. But at the same time, it is for real a great missed opportunity to make a fork of Firefox. It has potential to be better than FF. And that is only a thought I can cherish.
I’m sick of Firefox not fixing their Mobile App after they nuked every addon after their Mobile Update a year or two ago
Side question : Has anyone else used the Wikipedia app on Android? Not sure of it but the ui elements seem a lot like fenix rather than chromium (except the tabs feature which uses the safari layout)
But I’m not sure
It’s the chicken and egg problem. The main thing firefox needs rn are users . Many things would be resolved if it had enough users. Compatibility won’t be as big of an issue with non Google products hopefully, there might be more revenue coming, and that’d lead to better browser overall
Yes
My biggest issue with Chromium browsers is that the fonts have this ever so slight blur to them that drives me crazy when I notice it.
Even if Google as a company has MANY issues i can’t really support, one is a given, theyr web engine is miles ahead. You can argue with anything but for the mere “using a browser” experience you can’t deny that chromium is just in another league. I really like firefox, i use it for its dev tools and when i do frontend stuff (but please that color scheme for the dev tools just burn my eyes) but they really need to step theyr game up. You can advocate for privacy but so Apple does on Safari (laughable) and whoever buys a Apple Product rarely changes the browser (and on IOS all browsers are forced to be apple’s webkint engine, so there is not a choice).
Firefox in the recent updates shipped me so many features i liked but they really need to focus on the web renderer side. Once that is fixed, then we can start to see firefox rising again
Pardon my ignorance (I’m total noob at web programming) but besidesa sad competitive landscape, what’s wrong with chromium?
I use Firefox for privacy reasons, mainly, but if Firefox had a chromium-based engine I wouldn’t mind, actually it would be even better to me since it seems faster (I feel like Edge is faster than Firefox at least at the opening).
Why would I? I don’t use any of them.
I spend a large part of my internet time on Reddit and the fact that FireFox doesn’t work correctly on Reddit (not going to remain on 7 year old ‘old reddit’ and I’m not going to use the shittle markup language option because Firefox is broken) forces me to use something else – and yeah, seems like they’re all built on a Chromium foundation – ironically, even Edge.
Yes, but in contrast to IE, at least Chromium is actually good. So I honestly cannot blame them either.
No. Anyone sick of everything being TCP/IP? There’s nothing wrong with a technology being dominant, the problem only arises when one organization controls how the technology evolves.
I know of many smaller web browser projects, such the Netsurf browser (I sometimes use it on systems with less resources available), but they often lack something that make certain big websites work (such as a JavaScript engine). They still work well for browsing more old school style websites, however.
I know that the Wine project (the one that enables running Windows applications on Linux and other Unix-like operating systems) has their own version of the Gecko engine for their implementation of Internet Explorer (by extension, ReactOS, a Windows reimplementation, also uses this engine). More information on how they use it at https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko
The source code for this modified Gecko engine is at
https://sourceforge.net/p/wine/wine-gecko/ci/master/tree/
This is one of the few cases that I know of where the Gecko engine, although a modified version of it, is being reused outside of the webview implementation for Android. It might be possible to learn from here how it can be reused as an embedded engine.
honestly, i just wish that on ios if apple is going to make every webbrowser be safari, that they would allow central control of plugins so they work in all “browsers”.
it’s insane that plugins work on safari proper, but not on chrome (safari based), facebook (safari based), or any other browser. it’s even more egregious when there are sites with popups that literally cover entire popups of an article on mobile.
Because it’s a really really good base and makes sense. Brave utilizes it wonderfully.
It does feel lazy, don’t it?
Yes! Why is it that no company has taken on building a new browser from scratch? Is the existing browser tech/code that good?
If I want to make a Gecko-based browser, I have to fork Firefox and write my new UI in XUL.
If I want to make a Webkit-based browser, I can plug Webkit into a UI that I write in pretty much whatever system I want.
I am sick of web altogether to be honest. Let’s just go back to bbs or something similar.
Explore remote browsing with Puffin.
Pretty sure there are Firefox forks though? Palemoon comes to mind, but I’m almost sure it’s not the only one