20 thoughts on “Is brave browser really that bad?”

  1. Last question first, two browsers I like….

    For Android, Iceraven:


    For Windows, Vivaldi:


    IMO, your mileage may vary.

    To your first question…

    I see a few issues with Brave:

    1. They have aligned themselves implicitly with conservative politics and issues. It’s not explicit, they won’t tell a liberal not to use their browser, but the circumstances under which the browser came about, it’s name, and it’s leadership send a certain message IMO. This may or may not be a “deal killer” for any given individual user, but it is something some people may want to know.
    2. Brave has been caught in various schemes such as where when you type a URL to a cryptocurrency link, the browser at one point would redirect you to a different URL that generates them money. Every time they are caught doing something like that and it becomes publicized, they say it was unintentional, and change it. Whether you believe it is unintentional or not is, again, up to you as a user, but the sheer number of times this stuff has happen lead me to believe they are constantly testing to see what users will notice or let them get away with, and pulling back only if it is noticed and there is a backlash. That means, I think, logically, that there is a reasonable possibility that they are testing new schemes today and that people just haven’t discovered them yet, and that if they are discovered and disliked by the users, they may be stopped and new ones will be attempted. Actually, that users are potentially being exposed to things that they don’t know about, to me is worse than if they upfront said “Here’s what we’re doing”, because the latter would let the user make an informed choice, whereas the former does not.
    3. The entire premise of the browser, and this they are open about, is to replace the native ads on websites (Or the ad networks the website owners sign up for and try to have displayed) with Brave’s own ads. Brave says they will give a cut back to the website, but only if the website asks, and since Brave is a relatively small browser, not every website asks. Also, it puts Brave in a power position with those websites where they can say “We take whatever cut we want, you can accept our terms and get what we determine your cut to be, or get nothing. It’s up to you.”. Now, one could argue that, hey, millions of browser users out there use content-blockers or ad-blockers and the website owners get no revenue from those views (Though some of said users might forward links to other users who don’t use ad-block, indirectly generating some profit, or directly sign-up for premium membership or donate to a website), and that something is better than nothing. Still, many users wonder why they are helping Brave at the expense of the website owner financially. Users can opt-out and just block all ads, but you can do that on lots of browsers (Like the two I linked to) with extensions, and sometimes without.
    4. The Brave user interface (UI) is very similar to Chrome’s and hard to modify extensively. So, if you prefer a different interface, like maybe something on desktop that’s a little more “classic” looking with more buttons and dropdown menus and such, you’re out of luck. Firefox and Vivaldi on desktop can both be modified in that direction and in other directions if you so choose. Some people don’t care about that, and Firefox isn’t as customizeable UI wise as it once was, but it is still more customizeable than Brave, and, in all fairness, basically every Chromium-based browser on Windows, except Vivaldi, which has a lot of options for changing the UI.
    5. On Android, Chrome and Chromium offer no native extensions. Brave follows the same path. One thing Brave does legitimately have over standard Chrome and Chromium on Android is that it does include it’s own ad-blocker (Which can be turned on or off, or I guess set to participate in what I mentioned in point 3). However, many users find UBlock Origin, an extension available for Iceraven and Firefox, among others, on Android, superior in functionality, and there are a variety of other ad-blockers that some might prefer instead for their own reasons. Additionally, though an ad or content-blocker is probably the number one extension people like to install, there are also extensions for a zillion other things that people might want to modify, so simply saying “We’ve got a built-in ad-blocker” even if it meets a given user’s needs, for many users is not a substitute for a full extension ecosystem like some other browsers have. I should mention, to be fair, that Vivaldi for Android also just has a native ad-blocker instead of an extension setup- that is common for Chromium-based Android browsers because Chrome doesn’t offer extensions for mobile. There was a browser that allowed users to install Chrome desktop extensions to a Chromium-based Android browser, but it stopped being updated, which is a security risk. This means to get a full extension ecosystem on Android on a browser that is updated regularly, one almost has to use something that is Firefox-based or Firefox-compatible (Which Iceraven is) rather than Chromium-based or Chrome-compatible (Which Brave is.), at least for now.
    6. One element of the scheme in point 3 is that regular users can generate a small amount of a cryptocurrency for themselves, potentially. However, this is a Brave-created cryptocurrency (Not Bitcoin or something common that’s usable) and the amount is very low. My impression is that very few people if any get anything substantial, and then if they get, I don’t know, 50 cents worth, it is very hard to turn that into 50 actual cents in regular currency or in a gift card or anything like that. It’s sort of like Monopoly money, you know?
    7. Though people don’t actually make out from the scheme alluded to in point 6, people feel that they might and attempt to do so. This leads to them talking up the browser everywhere and sometimes sending out affiliate links where they get “something” (or so they hope/believe) every time someone new clicks through their link, downloads, and uses the browser, so it is very hard to tell if someone talking the browser up truly is doing so entirely because they like the experience of browsing the web with it, or because they are trying to make money off of getting you to join them. Even comments without an affiliate link could be said to sometimes be getting people into looking to try it, and then maybe later they will ask for the link or look for a link, and it’ll be the one someone has tied to their account. This is sort of sad both for the people who are sort of tricked into using the browser believing they’ve read a genuine account of people who think it’s the best when in fact the people have an alterior motive sometimes (Although, granted, maybe some of them think it’s really the best \*and\* are trying to get these points or whatever), and also for the people posting the affiliate links and the praise themselves, because what they earn isn’t real money, isn’t worth very much, and is very hard to spend, so they really are doing work and selling themselves for nothing or for third-world poverty wages.

    In the end, I can acknowledge that some people may genuinely feel that this browser is right for them. However, I find the whole thing kind of shady, and it’s not right for me.

    I’m not telling anyone what to do, though. If people are happy with it and go in with eyes open, that’s their choice. It’s just not something I personally want to do or would advise people to do if asked for advice (The original post on this thread was asking for advice, in a way, so that’s why I’m giving it.).

    In the end, it does let you browse the web, and it does provide an alternative to other browsers, and I do think the web benefits from having a lot of different browsers, so people have the ability to choose what’s right for them and aren’t dealing with a one-size fits all monopoly.

    Granted, I personally feel that the project, in addition to what are subjectively flaws for me detailed above, would be a better contribution to the web browser ecosystem had it been based on the Gecko web rendering engine Firefox uses, or it’s own original web rendering, instead of being based on Chromium and it’s Blink web rendering engine, because aside from Firefox, Iceraven, Tor, and a few others that don’t have a lot of marketshare, Blink and Chromium are becoming the basis for so much that it hurts the web and gives the illusion of choice while having the same thing underneath it all, and any monopoly can be abused, but I admittedly currently use Vivaldi on desktop, and it’s based on Blink/Chromium, so obviously while I have an opinion on this topic, I, like others, don’t view it the web rendering engine issue as decisive in and of itself, just something to be considered (Iceraven on Android uses Gecko, which I like).

  2. Trying to be unbiased here, (Firefox user) Brave isn’t technically bad but it once [inserted referral codes in binance links](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/06/07/brave-browser-caught-adding-its-own-referral-codes-to-some-cryptcurrency-trading-sites/) and [BAT is sketchy](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjfk9Sd9_bsAhV4wjgGHd_UAroQFjAKegQIFBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcryptobriefing.com%2Fbasic-attention-token-rebounds-despite-brave-autofill-controversy%2F&usg=AOvVaw0iRjNN8Jo_gI_1pMYw6chI).

    Edit :
    They inserted the codes so the browser would earn money.
    BAT stands for Basic Attention Token and is basically Brave’s cryptocurrency.

  3. its so-and-so but its doesn’t feel good to use. Its like trying to carbon copy chrome but 30% worse so yeah probably don’t use it

  4. You are asking a subreddit that is frequented by firefox moderators and employees. I don’t think I have ever seen a brave employee on this sub. I would trust the brave community over firefox employees and moderators. Brave is smaller so they don’t have as big of a voice and firefox is fighting back vehemently because they know the jig is almost up.

  5. I downloaded brave, and it is very slow, a bit faster than internet explorer, but not that much. I think Microsoft Edge is the best browser today. It is the fastest and very good looking. Even I used firefox until the update. So, yeah, use Edge!!!!

  6. Right now, I use five different browsers-[Brave](https://brave.com/), [Firefox](https://www.mozilla.org/), [Ms Edge](https://www.microsoft.com/edge)(Chromium), [Vivaldi](https://vivaldi.com/) and [Opera GX](https://www.opera.com/gx). Of all of them, Brave seems to be the fastest, followed by Edge. Brave and Ms Edge have the least resource usage. After the latest update, Vivaldi has become a ram hog, just like Chrome (because it is a Chromium-based browser too). Firefox does not use a lot of memory. The problem is, that sometimes it uses a lot of CPU, compared to other browsers. Opera GX, as I said earlier, is a browser, that has unique features to keep its resource usage as low as possible. It does its job quite well. Opera is known for selling users data with they’re “no-log VPN” lmao. Excuse me for my bad English, it is not my native language.

  7. i thought behind brave is Brendan Eich…the one who “came up” with javascript and firefox.

    i would be surprised if it would be any worse than firefox.

  8. This thread is nutty to me in how much it throws Brave under the bus. “Bad” is relative to your objective. What is your objective? Do you want to be tracked by advertising everywhere you go on the internet? Do you want every search you ever run to be logged against your name? In that case, any browser that isn’t Brave will be great for you. Brave is basically chrome without ad track tech which means it works faster than most other browsers (does for me anyways). Even blocks ads on youtube and spotify if you’re into that. And any of the advertising from Brave is strictly opt-in and anonymous. Lastly it’s made by one of the guys who helped invent the Internet (the creator of Javascript). Give it a try – not like it’s ie.

  9. What other browser automatically blocks ads for you and offers you the equivalent of money (even if its a little bit) for your attention? Not many (or maybe even none other than Brave). So I don’t really understand why people are bashing it.

    I use firefox and brave for personal use and chrome for business use (mostly due to the sheer number of browser add ons that I need).

    Brave is fast, great for privacy and pays you to click on 5 ads an hour. Pretty great if you ask me.

  10. I just Joined Brave and am enjoying it, I don’t get why people have to pick browsers, use Brave for some, use Firefox for others if some sites don’t use Brave??

  11. I alrdy made 1700 dollar with brave i dont complain for abit of surfing te internet. let google or other browsers sell your data for free if you dont like it.

  12. Thank You for taking the time for posting this » article « :)I was suspicious of using Brave , as usually and as How the world is today Who want to give money away ? As running anything cost money . I know better now and spare me aggravations -.


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